Comments on: Should England persist with Moeen Ali? https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/should-england-persist-with-moeen-ali/2016/07/26/ Independent and irreverent cricket writing Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:20:36 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.3 By: Humayun https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/should-england-persist-with-moeen-ali/2016/07/26/#comment-245141 Thu, 28 Jul 2016 10:20:36 +0000 http://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=17000#comment-245141 Moeen Ali is a young talented bowler, he is an asset to England team in shorter format of cricket. He can open innings and can be used as a hitter in T20. His performance in longer format is not bad either considering his allround ability.

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By: Ged https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/should-england-persist-with-moeen-ali/2016/07/26/#comment-245119 Wed, 27 Jul 2016 06:59:09 +0000 http://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=17000#comment-245119 In reply to Ged.

I meant of course, “in the one match in which Yasir didn’t play“…

…back to the day job.

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By: Ged https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/should-england-persist-with-moeen-ali/2016/07/26/#comment-245118 Wed, 27 Jul 2016 06:57:41 +0000 http://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=17000#comment-245118 I hate to infect this discussion with yet more facts, but the theory that Moeen and Adil are not good enough to win England test matches in Asian conditions is, I believe, based on false premises.

Yes, England failed miserably in the UAE, losing 2-0 to Pakistan, but that was simply because the batsmen couldn’t cope with Yasir Shah and therefore the spinners didn’t get the chance (in the two matches Yasir played) to apply any pressure.

In the one match in which Yasir played, the Moeen/Adil combination 2nd dig nearly snatched victory from the jaws of a bore draw:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/902635.html

Personally, I also think that Adil has kicked on since last winter; certainly his white ball bowling has impressed me these last few months.

In short, the only logical spin twin combination for me this winter is Moeen/Adil.

The debate should be about the third spinner/reserve spinner(s) in my view.

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By: A P Webster https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/should-england-persist-with-moeen-ali/2016/07/26/#comment-245117 Wed, 27 Jul 2016 05:24:14 +0000 http://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=17000#comment-245117 In reply to Bert.

“You can prove anything with facts”

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By: Aditya https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/should-england-persist-with-moeen-ali/2016/07/26/#comment-245116 Wed, 27 Jul 2016 05:12:53 +0000 http://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=17000#comment-245116 England are touring Bangladesh and India in the winter. Any spinners you pick will have to be with an eye on these tours.

England won the last series in India with Swann and Panesar taking 37 wickets between them and Anderson backing them up with 12. I can see Anderson taking more, but I don’t see any Swann/Panesar replacements that will make up the numbers.

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By: marees https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/should-england-persist-with-moeen-ali/2016/07/26/#comment-245115 Wed, 27 Jul 2016 04:20:08 +0000 http://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=17000#comment-245115 In reply to Bert.

This. comment is why I keep coming to this site.

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By: alphamonkey https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/should-england-persist-with-moeen-ali/2016/07/26/#comment-245113 Wed, 27 Jul 2016 00:17:30 +0000 http://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=17000#comment-245113 In reply to BailOut.

Might be a moot point with Stokes’ injury though. Are the selectors bold enough to lose the extra seamer though? Rashid for Stokes makes the most sense.

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By: alphamonkey https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/should-england-persist-with-moeen-ali/2016/07/26/#comment-245112 Wed, 27 Jul 2016 00:16:01 +0000 http://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=17000#comment-245112 In reply to BailOut.

I’m a big fan of two spinners, especially if you can have an offie/leggie combo. The worry is that Moeen might not actually be a spinner, but rather a batsman who can bowl a bit of spin. If that is the case – as it is beginning to look – it doesn’t necessarily mean he ought to be dropped – but he will need to be able to hold down a place as a batsman primarily. I’m remain unconvinced he’s a test class batsman but given that Vince looks absolutely bobbins where’s the harm in giving Moeen a run in the top six to prove himself/disprove himself and picking Rashid as a spinner?

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By: BailOut https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/should-england-persist-with-moeen-ali/2016/07/26/#comment-245110 Tue, 26 Jul 2016 22:07:25 +0000 http://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=17000#comment-245110 In reply to BailOut.

Moreover, this is one of those very rare moments in history when you could play an offie/leggie combination without having to make a deep sacrifice on the batting or pace bowling front to fit them in.

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By: BailOut https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/should-england-persist-with-moeen-ali/2016/07/26/#comment-245109 Tue, 26 Jul 2016 22:06:29 +0000 http://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=17000#comment-245109 In reply to BailOut.

Don’t think management will do anything so radical as to play two spinners, but it really ought to be an option. Must be tempting to have an offie/leggie combination.

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