Comments on: Where are Jason Roy’s foundations? Do white ball specialists need more time in the middle? https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/where-are-jason-roys-foundations-do-white-ball-specialists-need-more-time-in-the-middle/2022/08/10/ Independent and irreverent cricket writing Sat, 13 Aug 2022 09:29:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.3 By: King Cricket https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/where-are-jason-roys-foundations-do-white-ball-specialists-need-more-time-in-the-middle/2022/08/10/#comment-270105 Sat, 13 Aug 2022 09:29:25 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=27381#comment-270105 In reply to Deep Cower.

Unless you started in the middle, you’ve read the whole headline which is more than many online commenters.

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By: Deep Cower https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/where-are-jason-roys-foundations-do-white-ball-specialists-need-more-time-in-the-middle/2022/08/10/#comment-270104 Sat, 13 Aug 2022 07:43:16 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=27381#comment-270104 More time in the middle of what? A fiery pit? Pacific ocean? Arizona?

Okay, I didn’t read the article (yet) but hell, that’s no reason not to contribute to the discussion.

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By: King Cricket https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/where-are-jason-roys-foundations-do-white-ball-specialists-need-more-time-in-the-middle/2022/08/10/#comment-270096 Fri, 12 Aug 2022 07:27:35 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=27381#comment-270096 In reply to Ged Ladd.

Also not really stated – but perhaps should have been as it’s at the heart of what we’re saying – but top players’ talents and weaknesses are in a constant state of flux.

To stick with Jason Roy, that first-class experience may have supported his short format form for a year or so but maybe now the well is running a bit dry. The type of practice that would improve his game now is perhaps very different from what he’d have needed 18 months ago.

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By: Ged Ladd https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/where-are-jason-roys-foundations-do-white-ball-specialists-need-more-time-in-the-middle/2022/08/10/#comment-270095 Fri, 12 Aug 2022 06:34:57 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=27381#comment-270095 Good article KC.

A really big point about this is implied but not stated in your article: every top-level player brings a unique blend of talents and weaknesses to the game. There is no “one size fits all” formula for recovery of form or development of compensating skills to help overcome weaknesses.

As you say, that can lead to possible solutions as varied as “practice lots to improve”, “try other vaguely related activities in search of compensating strengths/skills” or even “take a break from it and let your brain/body recover”…and much in between/besides.

With batting, an additional challenge comes from the fact that almost all practice situations are so very different from time in the middle in an actual match that matters. And of course the big thing about batting in a match is that one mistake ends your batting time in the middle. It’s different for bowlers precisely because of the weird, compelling asymmetry of this game we love.

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By: King Cricket https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/where-are-jason-roys-foundations-do-white-ball-specialists-need-more-time-in-the-middle/2022/08/10/#comment-270094 Fri, 12 Aug 2022 05:46:18 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=27381#comment-270094 In reply to Fred Grace.

Oh we can only handle praise when it’s faint. Thanks.

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By: Fred Grace https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/where-are-jason-roys-foundations-do-white-ball-specialists-need-more-time-in-the-middle/2022/08/10/#comment-270093 Fri, 12 Aug 2022 03:12:58 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=27381#comment-270093 Damning you with faint praise there. Let me try again. Most profound article I’ve read this week.

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By: King Cricket https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/where-are-jason-roys-foundations-do-white-ball-specialists-need-more-time-in-the-middle/2022/08/10/#comment-270087 Thu, 11 Aug 2022 10:02:11 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=27381#comment-270087 In reply to Fred Grace.

We baulked at ‘profound’ but were reassured when you qualified it with ‘on this site’.

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By: Fred Grace https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/where-are-jason-roys-foundations-do-white-ball-specialists-need-more-time-in-the-middle/2022/08/10/#comment-270085 Thu, 11 Aug 2022 04:35:14 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=27381#comment-270085 That is the most profound article I’ve read on this site. Thanks, KC.

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By: A P Webster https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/where-are-jason-roys-foundations-do-white-ball-specialists-need-more-time-in-the-middle/2022/08/10/#comment-270083 Wed, 10 Aug 2022 14:40:58 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=27381#comment-270083 This is an interesting point and adjacent to something else that I feel gets glossed over in the ‘debate’ (if that’s the word) around teams effectively fielding different teams for different formats and there being few(er) ‘all format’ players – if a player gets put in the ‘T20 specialist’ (or ‘Test specialist’) box too soon, they lose the opportunity to play very much cricket in other formats, and we all lose the opportunity to find out what they might have done in other formats, or how the experience in one format might help them develop in another.

To give some examples: whilst it’s pretty clear that Ben Stokes or Jonny Bairstow probably wouldn’t be the sort of Test batters they are now if they’d only ever played ‘red ball’ cricket (and England wouldn’t be the sort of Test team they are at the moment without the overlap with the 50-over team), it could equally be true that without building up experience in First Class cricket, Liam Livingstone wouldn’t be as an accomplished a T20/Hundred/ODI batter. And that’s to say nothing of players who have found a niche later in their career that wouldn’t have been available to them if they hadn’t ‘kept their hand in’ in multiple formats.

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