Comments on: Fast bowling: County cricket’s diesels and the unprepared Test batters they create https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/fast-bowling-county-crickets-diesels-and-the-unprepared-test-batters-they-create/2022/01/10/ Independent and irreverent cricket writing Fri, 14 Jan 2022 11:32:33 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.3 By: King Cricket https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/fast-bowling-county-crickets-diesels-and-the-unprepared-test-batters-they-create/2022/01/10/#comment-268879 Thu, 13 Jan 2022 10:45:41 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=26635#comment-268879 In reply to daneel.

Ramps often seems drawn to platitudes, which makes this even more striking. It’s a peculiar role being hired as a columnist when your USP is your personal experience. Suppose the answer is to deal in generalities wherever possible. “Test batters tend to…” or “it is common for international cricketers to…”

Not sure this column will help him get future coaching jobs. You can imagine players being a bit more reluctant to reveal their flaws and insecurities when trying to work on stuff.

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By: daneel https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/fast-bowling-county-crickets-diesels-and-the-unprepared-test-batters-they-create/2022/01/10/#comment-268878 Thu, 13 Jan 2022 02:28:21 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=26635#comment-268878 If I were Buttler, I don’t think I’d be very happy with Ramps here. Seems like a bit of a betrayal of confidences if you ask me.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jan/12/100-innings-facts-jos-buttler-not-test-batsman-england-ashes

Anyway, I guess it takes not one to know not one.

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By: Jacob Norton https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/fast-bowling-county-crickets-diesels-and-the-unprepared-test-batters-they-create/2022/01/10/#comment-268874 Tue, 11 Jan 2022 21:47:58 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=26635#comment-268874 I’d be interested to see those proportions of really fast balls in the Sheffield Shield, Plunkett Shield, Ranji Trophy, Quaid-e-Azam Trophy and the SA competition. Surely no domestic first-class cricketer anywhere in the world is seeing 140+ bowling as often as in Tests in Australia. Comparing domestic to international isn’t like for like.

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By: Ged Ladd https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/fast-bowling-county-crickets-diesels-and-the-unprepared-test-batters-they-create/2022/01/10/#comment-268873 Tue, 11 Jan 2022 15:55:07 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=26635#comment-268873 In reply to Alf.

…and Marshall and Daniels and Garner and Roberts and Holding…

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By: Alf https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/fast-bowling-county-crickets-diesels-and-the-unprepared-test-batters-they-create/2022/01/10/#comment-268872 Tue, 11 Jan 2022 15:49:46 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=26635#comment-268872 By all accounts, they mostly bowled within themselves when playing in the Championship or Leagues in England (largely for money). It’s why you don’t hear too many anecdotes about county batsmen in the 70s and 80s being decapitated… Most of those West Indian greats were good enough to be super-effective when bowling medium pace anyway, see also late-career Walsh and Ambrose.

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By: sam https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/fast-bowling-county-crickets-diesels-and-the-unprepared-test-batters-they-create/2022/01/10/#comment-268871 Tue, 11 Jan 2022 14:57:24 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=26635#comment-268871 As ever, good points well made.

I must say my interest in The Ashes drops off a cliff once the series is mathematically decided. Ok, it’s still a Test match. But it doesn’t matter nearly as much.

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By: King Cricket https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/fast-bowling-county-crickets-diesels-and-the-unprepared-test-batters-they-create/2022/01/10/#comment-268870 Tue, 11 Jan 2022 13:33:36 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=26635#comment-268870 In reply to Tony Bennett.

It’s so hard to compare.

Is Fred a good example or is Fred the one bowler from that era with the freakish physiology to handle that workload? How much did he vary his pace match-to-match, day-to-day and spell-to-spell? How much difference did it make that he had a huge off season rather than playing 12 months a year?

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By: Tony Bennett https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/fast-bowling-county-crickets-diesels-and-the-unprepared-test-batters-they-create/2022/01/10/#comment-268869 Tue, 11 Jan 2022 11:31:35 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=26635#comment-268869 This sounds sensible, but I find it difficult to reconcile it with the way things were in the past. For example, in the 1961 English season, Fred Trueman played in 34 first-class matches, bowled 1180 overs, and took 155 wickets at an average of 19.35. My copy of Roy Webber’s Cricket Annual for 1961 places Trueman in the category “RF”, i.e. genuinely fast (which is consistent with my memory of seeing him bowl). He was by no means alone as a genuinely quick bowler delivering a large number of overs. There was no limited overs stuff and county matches were three day affairs, but even so, it seems as though that level of workload is well in excess of that required of today’s bowlers.

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By: North by West https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/fast-bowling-county-crickets-diesels-and-the-unprepared-test-batters-they-create/2022/01/10/#comment-268868 Tue, 11 Jan 2022 04:44:33 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=26635#comment-268868 In reply to Nick.

Yes, I read an interview with a teammate of Marshall’s who said something similar. So why do English quicks not get taught the same thing?

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By: Ged Ladd https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/fast-bowling-county-crickets-diesels-and-the-unprepared-test-batters-they-create/2022/01/10/#comment-268867 Mon, 10 Jan 2022 23:07:31 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=26635#comment-268867 The future ain’t what it used to be…it never was.

https://youtu.be/bbDQRfqzekA

In those so-called English cricket good old days, the standard of the three day cricket was way below the standard of four day cricket now. On the seventh day the pace bowlers had to bowl of short runs in the John Player League – imagine what Bob Willis looked like thus restricted. And don’t say Darren Stevens.

English cricketers were unprepared for overseas conditions then and are to a lesser extent are unprepared for them now.

Limiting the talent pool to the 7% of the population who get the privilege of going to a posh school really does limited the talent pool.

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