Comments on: England have been freed from Alastair Cook’s mindless batting but sadly also from Alastair Cook https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/england-have-been-freed-from-alastair-cooks-mindless-batting-but-sadly-also-from-alastair-cook/2018/09/04/ Independent and irreverent cricket writing Wed, 05 Sep 2018 16:11:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.3 By: Bail-out https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/england-have-been-freed-from-alastair-cooks-mindless-batting-but-sadly-also-from-alastair-cook/2018/09/04/#comment-256704 Wed, 05 Sep 2018 16:11:25 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=20220#comment-256704 In reply to Deep Cower.

After 2013 (ave 33) and an uncenturied 2014 (ave 32), you might have thought he was on the way out. But he did come back again. For 2015, 2016 and 2017 he then averaged 54, 42, 47. This is one reason I’m still not keen on him going permanently now, though a break (perhaps to play some more county cricket or even overseas first-class cricket) might help.

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By: Deep Cower https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/england-have-been-freed-from-alastair-cooks-mindless-batting-but-sadly-also-from-alastair-cook/2018/09/04/#comment-256698 Wed, 05 Sep 2018 11:45:53 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=20220#comment-256698 In reply to Bradders.

It is rather remarkable how precipitous the drop is from 2017 – I hadn’t expected that.

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By: Ged https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/england-have-been-freed-from-alastair-cooks-mindless-batting-but-sadly-also-from-alastair-cook/2018/09/04/#comment-256697 Wed, 05 Sep 2018 11:40:20 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=20220#comment-256697 In reply to Ged.

Tavare would not have been a good idea at No 3 back then, whatever he would have preferred. He had a very good technique and was not quite as pedestrian as his urban myth infers.

Derek Randall was most certainly suited to the middle order and could only be described as a makeshift choice as opener, in the “try Buttler” or “try Moheen” mould.

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By: Bradders https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/england-have-been-freed-from-alastair-cooks-mindless-batting-but-sadly-also-from-alastair-cook/2018/09/04/#comment-256695 Wed, 05 Sep 2018 09:55:10 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=20220#comment-256695 In reply to Bradders.

Edit: When i wrote 16 and 17 – i meant 15 and 16 in the above comment. As you were.

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By: Mike https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/england-have-been-freed-from-alastair-cooks-mindless-batting-but-sadly-also-from-alastair-cook/2018/09/04/#comment-256694 Wed, 05 Sep 2018 09:54:11 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=20220#comment-256694 In reply to Deep Cower.

The lazy eye has always bugged me; looking up straight therefore seems a tad far-fetched. How he’s managed so many runs is a testament to the immense mental powers of the man. Buttler is similarly afflicted.

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By: Mike https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/england-have-been-freed-from-alastair-cooks-mindless-batting-but-sadly-also-from-alastair-cook/2018/09/04/#comment-256693 Wed, 05 Sep 2018 09:51:22 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=20220#comment-256693 In reply to Ged.

The openers who were plying their trade when I was begat, are described by cricinfo thus:

“a twitchy starter, especially when there was movement for the seamers, and was at his most effective at No. 5 or 6”

and

“though he much preferred to bat No. 3, England forced him to open because there was no one else”

Both averaged in the early 30s in an era of great bowlers. What we wouldn’t give…

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By: Bradders https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/england-have-been-freed-from-alastair-cooks-mindless-batting-but-sadly-also-from-alastair-cook/2018/09/04/#comment-256692 Wed, 05 Sep 2018 09:43:36 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=20220#comment-256692 In reply to Bradders.

This is his year by year. http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerYears.asp?PlayerID=3349

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By: Bradders https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/england-have-been-freed-from-alastair-cooks-mindless-batting-but-sadly-also-from-alastair-cook/2018/09/04/#comment-256690 Wed, 05 Sep 2018 09:42:56 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=20220#comment-256690 I’m not convinced entirely about this searching for a new opening ‘pair’ idea as you simply need the best players in there. It is of course possibly true that batting with Cook did not help matters but up until relatively recently he was the best player and so had to play. On Bert’s analysis above about the top scoring idea; I think that is only half the story really (and would require someone more diligent than me to look into it) but if the times when Cook outscored his partners was because he was getting a 50/100 then that means a lot more than Cook nicking off early and the other guy only getting 20. Logic says if the other guy was regularly scoring runs then they would have hung around.

Also whereas he has well documented fallow periods in the last 18 months in ’16 and ’17 he scored 5 hundreds and 15 50s.

Right hand opening partnerships are common and so i don’t think necessarily that two left handers are a problem – given especially that Strauss and Cook were a pair that made it work. They just have to be good enough and I think we probably have dropped a couple of the alternatives tried too quickly I think its really only in the last 18-24 months that things have been really grim from a Cook perspective.

That said i totally agree with Cook to 3 and we should have had Burns in for this test match.

(My) longest comment ever and overly serious – apologies…

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By: Ged https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/england-have-been-freed-from-alastair-cooks-mindless-batting-but-sadly-also-from-alastair-cook/2018/09/04/#comment-256689 Wed, 05 Sep 2018 05:20:32 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=20220#comment-256689 In reply to daneel.

I feel the same way. Yet, when I Google the first test series of my lifetime (1962/63 Ashes) the Wikipedia entry includes the following quote:

“The England middle order batting was its main strength, which with two wicket-keeper-batsmen and four all rounders made up for their lack of a settled opening partnership. [This remained] a problem between the retirement of Len Hutton and Cyril Washbrook in 1956 and the emergence of Geoff Boycott and John Edrich in the mid-1960s. ”

Plus ca change…

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By: Ged https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/england-have-been-freed-from-alastair-cooks-mindless-batting-but-sadly-also-from-alastair-cook/2018/09/04/#comment-256688 Wed, 05 Sep 2018 05:12:04 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=20220#comment-256688 In reply to A P Webster.

I feel your pain, APW & Marees. The only waxing I have experienced is in my ears, not between them.

My pain, following yesterday’s thrashing by a pre-teen, is more physical than mental this morning.

Daisy tried to sort out the mental side of it by suggesting that I should be flattered that the pros thought I would give that kid a good enough game.

It’ll be a visit to the chiropractor this morning to sort out the physical pain.

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