Comments on: Ben Stokes’ England are so far beating their greatest enemy – second-guessing themselves https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/ben-stokes-england-are-so-far-beating-their-greatest-enemy-second-guessing-themselves/2022/07/05/ Independent and irreverent cricket writing Fri, 08 Jul 2022 21:55:50 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.3 By: Fred Grace https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/ben-stokes-england-are-so-far-beating-their-greatest-enemy-second-guessing-themselves/2022/07/05/#comment-269903 Fri, 08 Jul 2022 21:55:50 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=27275#comment-269903 Of course it’s not “sustainable”,
it’s just awesome. Just enjoy it.

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By: King Cricket https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/ben-stokes-england-are-so-far-beating-their-greatest-enemy-second-guessing-themselves/2022/07/05/#comment-269896 Fri, 08 Jul 2022 08:06:26 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=27275#comment-269896 In reply to Deep Cower.

You’re not going to like the Eoin Morgan piece.

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By: Deep Cower https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/ben-stokes-england-are-so-far-beating-their-greatest-enemy-second-guessing-themselves/2022/07/05/#comment-269895 Fri, 08 Jul 2022 03:43:02 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=27275#comment-269895 A 4 minute read? Come on, cut it out. Make it <1 and we'll talk.

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By: Stuart https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/ben-stokes-england-are-so-far-beating-their-greatest-enemy-second-guessing-themselves/2022/07/05/#comment-269894 Thu, 07 Jul 2022 19:03:23 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=27275#comment-269894 In reply to King Cricket.

Completely agree, just feel we need to acknowledge the new skills this approach needs. And maybe T20 has helped produce more clear thinking cricketers?

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By: Aditya https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/ben-stokes-england-are-so-far-beating-their-greatest-enemy-second-guessing-themselves/2022/07/05/#comment-269892 Thu, 07 Jul 2022 16:00:05 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=27275#comment-269892 An excellent chase and a well deserved win for England. However, I do question how sustainable this is.

Root is on an extended run of glorious form, and Bairstow is batting well beyond the levels he has done before.
Are either of them (Bairstow especially) going to keep playing like this year after year? I wouldn’t think so. The Dukes balls won’t always behave the way they have been this summer and pitches won’t always stay flat enough to hit through the line late on day four.

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By: Nick https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/ben-stokes-england-are-so-far-beating-their-greatest-enemy-second-guessing-themselves/2022/07/05/#comment-269890 Thu, 07 Jul 2022 13:42:22 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=27275#comment-269890 In reply to JJ.

Sorry, didn’t mean to respond to your comment, JJ. Whenever I dance like nobody’s watching it seems to lead to mocking laughter rather than awed admiration, but again, miserable bastard, etc.

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By: Nick https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/ben-stokes-england-are-so-far-beating-their-greatest-enemy-second-guessing-themselves/2022/07/05/#comment-269889 Thu, 07 Jul 2022 13:37:53 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=27275#comment-269889 In reply to JJ.

Dukes ball thing does seem really weird – heard an interview with their boss a few days ago where he sounded genuinely at a loss to explain it, and was pretty much crossing his fingers that the problem would disappear next year. But even in the worst case scenario, hopefully recent results gives the team a bit of breathing space to bed down and really start improving.

I hope Stokes etc. are aware of the difference between taking the initiative, playing without fear, and forcing the other side to have to make decisions they don’t want to, on the one hand, and making bloody stupid decisions, on the other. Morgan always has been. It’s not about being aggressive all the time – this is slightly obscured by the fact that England’s limited over teams do in fact think it’s sensible to be aggressive all the time when batting, but they definitely don’t when bowling.

I fear that asking your test openers to attack at all times might be less like asking the same from your one day openers, and more like having four slips in place throughout a one day innings. Attacking, but cretinous. Always got the feeling Morgan had data and shrewd reasoning behind his decisions, and I’m not sure about Stokes. Is “we prefer chasing” a sensible argument for choosing to bowl first in a test? It makes me uneasy.

Then again, I’m a miserable bastard, particularly when it comes to cricket, so I’m probably wrong. Hope so.

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By: Edwardian https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/ben-stokes-england-are-so-far-beating-their-greatest-enemy-second-guessing-themselves/2022/07/05/#comment-269888 Wed, 06 Jul 2022 19:17:21 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=27275#comment-269888 In reply to King Cricket.

Really enjoyed digesting this piece, KC. If I was going out to bat I’d want She Sells Sanctuary by the Cult. I reckon Brendon McCullum has The Safety Dance by Men Without Hats blasting out in the changing room.

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By: TJ https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/ben-stokes-england-are-so-far-beating-their-greatest-enemy-second-guessing-themselves/2022/07/05/#comment-269887 Wed, 06 Jul 2022 18:19:46 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=27275#comment-269887 If this happens for the next few years, do you think the bowlers will adapt? It’s good to use this summer as an example and use Root and Bairstow as role model for fearless batting. What about bowlers? If the scoring rate is 4-5 per over will that help bowlers to be a role model?

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By: King Cricket https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/ben-stokes-england-are-so-far-beating-their-greatest-enemy-second-guessing-themselves/2022/07/05/#comment-269886 Wed, 06 Jul 2022 16:34:46 +0000 https://www.kingcricket.co.uk/?p=27275#comment-269886 In reply to Stuart.

More shots equals more options which can stymie things as per above. It makes simplifying players’ thinking even more important really.

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